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high capacity metal frame 45
Are there any metal frame higher capacity (10 rounds or more) 45 caliber pistols out there? Everything I see that holds more than 9 rounds is made with a polymer frame. I certainly see the utility of making a lighter gun, especially to carry, but as a pride of ownership thing, I just don't want to get a plastic gun.
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I looked them up; they do have a polymer frame and they are out of my price range, too! : )
I don't doubt the durability of the polymers, I doubt their esthetic appeal (to me personally, anyway).
There's one 13 round high capacity 1911A made by Springfield Armory, but it's a retro model - don't know how it compares reliability-wize with the newer models, I've read that modern 1911 pistols have improved over their 90 year old predecessors in many respects.
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Found one: CZ 97B. Holds 10 rounds of 45ACP. The only problem is - it only feeds hard ball. Not sure, how much stopping power I'd be giving up if I didn't use hollow points. Otherwise a nice looking gun that's said to be accurate and reliable. A good deal too: can be had for around $500
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Thanks, I sure will. I'd call my hands average, so it's a consideration. The SIG-220 I held (another gun I like) does fit my hand really nice.
I read you can carry CZ 97B cocked and locked, would that eliminate the need to shot it in DA?
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Went to check out some guns last night. Mark, you were right, these CZ pistols have a really forward trigger placement, I don't know why they do it. I have no problem with the fat grips, in fact it seems to be a more natural fit for me, but the trigger is way out there.
The gun I liked the best was Ruger P-90. Good sights, comfortable grip and looks like a tank on steroids.
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WW,
That's the idea. : )
From what I hear about P-90, it's been overengineered so it can handle the hottest loads, which means that you can get good expansion of a .45 caliber bullet if you wanted to shoot JHP with this gun.
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To that end, what is the most common .45ACP cartridge used by police now a days?
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WW,
"Marines who carried the M1911 or 45 cal Greaser swore the Japs were sent backwards 10 feet regardles how programmed they were to charge."
I don't know, some marines have been known to exagerate 
But seriously, military combat and personal defence are two different things. Most civilian shotouts take place in close quarters (20 feet or less), the opposite is true for military combat (at least in conventional warfare for which 1911 was designed). A soldier would want a round that can maintain killing velocity at 50 to 100 yards. You, as a home owner, don't want that or else your bullets will become a danger for your neighbors after they slice through the intruder. Hardball is better for penetrating armor / glass which is good for military operations, but again would lead to dangerous overpenetrations in civilian situations. Also, originally, hardball fed better than JHP, so it was the premium choice for reliability's sake. Or at least that's what I hear.
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hand grenades..
that's a thought
: )
you mentioned in another thread about shooting 500 rounds of .45ACP in one day and having bad elbow pain afterwards. What is it that you were shooting, a pistol or revolver? Should you expect to take such abuse on your joints with any .45 caliber gun?
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DR
Thanks for the info on cartridges. Federal Hydrashok seems to a common favorite.
Shot some 9mm and 45ACP last night. I noticed to my surprise that the recoil wasn't that much greater for the .45. Definitely the caliber to go for.
Well, I'm gonna go order my gun now. Settled on Ruger P-90. Only 8 rounds, but everything else about this gun is solid, so I hope this will be a good gun to learn the ropes.
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Now, we can resolve this argument once and for all if WW just took his 1911 to the mexican border and tried out his theory. WW, please file a field-trip report with us when you get back : )
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WW, you're missing the point (no pun intended); the object is to find out whether your trusty Colt .45 will blow the wetbacks back across the Rio Grand (like you say it should) or whether they drop dead right on the spot (as per DR).
We need experimental proof, you know what I'm saying? : )
Disclaimer for the thick in the head government monitors of threads like this: in no way should this post be considered as an incitement to violence and is being written for entertainment purposes only.
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WW,
Sometimes this kind of footage is therapeutic and sometimes it just grosses me out. But a high velocity .50 round shot from a rifle supported by a stand is a bit different from your .45ACP round.
Speaking of my .45
Went to the range to shoot my Kimber for the first time. Went through 250 rounds, American Eagle and Independence, all standard 230 grain FMJ; not a single hickup. that's some sweet gun.
If I knew what I was doing, they'd be all on target, too : )
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DR, that's what the instructor said : )
Considering that this was only the second time I ever shot a gun, it took me about 200 rounds to get into the grove and tighten up my groups... a barrelful of free ammo whould be nice. ; )
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WW,
My elbows are just fine, I shoot from the Weaver and the elbows are bent, so that helps. When I put my mind to it, the gun barely moves in my hands, I can hear the spent brass clinking off the same exact spot in the booth - slightly to the front and right of the gun, so I don't think my posture or hold is too loose. When I try too hard to hit the target, then I anticipate the shot and jerk the gun to the bottom and left. I seemed to shoot the best when I got mad at the gun and just squeezed the shots one after another around the bull's eye. I finally got in the groove and could have shot 250 more, much better than the first 250, but I need to pay a mortgage, so...
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WW,
I found the reason why the .45ACP was able to fling the japs 10 feet backwards. An average jap weighed about 60lb at the time (before they fattened up on American beef after the war). So you can easily see how such a scrawny combatant would take off when hit with a bullet. On the other hand our brave GIs weighed a good 200lb, so recoil wasn't that much of an issue for them.
: )
Here, that settles it.
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DR, you're not fooling anyone with that post
but it is funny : )
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"KE of a 230 gr 45 cal projectile leaving the barrel at 830 ft/sec equates to about 353 lb-ft at the muzzle.
A 700 gr 50 cal at 2700 ft/sec gives a KE ~ = 11.32 e3 lb-ft of energy at the muzzle."
3.53E2 lb-ft vs. 1.13E4 lb-ft. That's two logs! Didn't realize there was THAT much difference! No wonder the .50 BMG round splits bodies in half.
"Overall, what we all can possibly agree on is when shot with a .45 cal, no matter what your size or intentions, you will NOT proceed too much further in the forward direction."
I don't know who's gonna argue with that one. : ) Certainly not the guy who just ate that kind of round.
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Chief,
I did. They're all DA only, if I'm correct. They are nice guns but I decided to go with a SA gun. So far I put 400 rounds through my Kimber, had only 1 FTE. Don't know what to blame for that one; I'll consider it just a fluke for now.
Also now that I shot the Kimber I feel like the single stack allows for a better one hand grip than the fat double stack pistol.
I figure if I want high capacity, I'll get me an HK or something of that sort. Now that I got the Kimber, I got the "gotta have the fancy shiny drop dead gorgeous looking gun" urge outta my system.
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Chief,
This gun wasn't bought to sit in a vault. It's a durable dependable rock-solid gun that happens to look damn good and I plan to shot it as much as I can.
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